Showing posts with label Triple-7. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Triple-7. Show all posts

09 February 2011

Muzzleloading Load Data: CVA Accura & Accura V2

The process I use to test a muzzleloader for a possible MAX video is lengthy.   And complete, to say the least.  Accuracy, with a wide selection of quality components, is a must and a really big part of the bottom line.
Everything I do with a rifle is written down and documented on one of our MAX Data Sheets (get one with the button in the right sidebar) so I can review it all at the end of the process.   I also save each and every load as shot on it's own MAX Target (also available on the right sidebar). Then I sum it all up and decide what makes the cut and what won't - what I liked, what I didn't - what worked, what didn't.  (accuracy & big game performance!!)

One of the by-products of the whole testing process is load data, lots and lots of load data.  I can't stop myself, I just keep shooting different combinations to see for myself what works with each rifle (and what doesn't)!  I end up with a lot more loads than we could ever possibly have room to put into my 2-hour videos!!  So the loads that are shown on the video are just a very random selection of what really exists.  I try to show a wide variety of loads to give you a choice of bullets, primers, powders, etc.

For instance, in my last video, MAXimize Your CVA Accura & Accura V2, there were a total of 41 loads developed through the process of testing the rifle, but only 8 ended up on the actual video, everything else is in my Data Book.

Now, the bulk of my data was shot with the CVA Accura before the V2 was even on the market.  But after getting my hands on the new V2, I re-shot (a lot!) most of the loads to verify accuracy and I can tell you that my testing showed me that both of these rifles are very capable of sub 1 inch groups at 100 yards.


(**Note:  Several weeks after my video hit the market, many of you began calling and emailing me because you were experiencing ignition problems with your new Accura V2 when using Blackhorn 209 Powder.  Since I had not had any issues, I went back to the range to see if I could re-create the problem and come up with a resolution for you.  I've got to say that at the time of this post, I've got it figured out and it is not any fault of the Blackhorn Powder.  It is obvious that some V2's, like mine have no problems whatsoever with Blackhorn.  But some of the newer V2's, (as some of you have already experienced), DO have an ignition issue when using Blackhorn 209 Powder.  And might even further down the road with other modern powders.  With that said, make sure you check all Blackhorn loads on the bench to insure your rifle will ignite it-every time.  I want to be clear that I do no believe there is any problem with Blackhorn 209 Powder, it is an excellent product that will be around for a long time.  And I'll assure you, there will be more about how to address this ignition issue with the V-2 later.  I've worked a great deal with this problem and there IS A SOLUTION. I can't publish my results just yet, but watch here for a future blog where I will publish that data. Soon...)

Below are the loads that are in the video, but complete with ALL the ballistic data.  We are in the process of getting a complete Data Booklet published with all the loads developed during the testing process of the CVA Accura.  This booklet will be available very soon; we're working out the printing details, etc.  But you can be sure that it will be in a form that will be user-friendly at the bench!  (Then we'll get Data Booklets published with the data from our other DVD's also!)

For now, here are the loads from the MAXimize Your CVA Accura & Accura V2 DVD:


Barnes Spit-Fire TMZ










Hornady SST-ML










Parker Ballistic Extreme


Parker HydraCon



Powerbelt AeroTip


Powerbelt Platinum


If you'd like a printout of this data, we've posted it on our website at http://www.maxmuzzleloader.com/ (see the links button) or you can open it from right here: MAX's CVA Accura & Accura V2 Load Data.

I hope this helps all of you to get MAXimum performance from your modern muzzleloader!




01 November 2010

209 Primers & Modern Muzzleloading

As small as the 209 shotgun shell primer is, it has probably made a bigger bang than any other item in modern in-line muzzleloading.  People just don't realize it.

First, from it's very inception (and as suspected by our industry inventors) it has proven to be a very reliable source of ignition for our modern rifles when properly selected. With today's rifles and powders, the little 209 primer provides more than sufficient fire to ignite our modern rifles. And as I will discuss further in this post, they can and will provide extreme accuracy.
The second big bang these little items have caused are that of the legal kind! There is really no telling how much time and money manufacturers of modern muzzleloading equipment have spent getting the states to except this ignition source.  Although most hunters have excepted it, there are still a few states that are holding out, and still requiring a hunter to use the older types of ignition (like #11 caps, etc).


In the beginning, only the standard 209 shotgun shell primer was available because that's all there was. As time went by, the industry capitalized on the muzzleloading sport by marketing to us "209 Muzzleloading Primers". Many companies have jumped on the bandwagon; some for the money (same dern primer, but they charge us more) and some have truly made a better product for the modern muzzleloader.


By looking at the package we can tell which ones are meant to be used with muzzleloaders, but which ones really work? And which ones are best? And believe me, you better know, cause this one little thing can make or break a good load...or a good hunt.


The main question is: how "powerful" is the primer?


There are three factors that come into play to determine the answer to that question:


     1. How much explosive the primer contains.
     2. The diameter of the flash hole.
     3. The type of breech plug - more specifically, how long is the breech plug and
          how is the face (powder end) built?


To answer #1, a 209 primer has a lot of fire. In most cases, more than enough. As far as how much explosive any primer has, we may never know. But with the testing we've done at MAX, I would say that contrary to popular belief, the primers designed specifically "for muzzleloading" have a reduced amount of explosive. The best way that I've found to test primers to see how powerful they are, is to measure how much deflection they cause.


Keeping in mind that in order to conduct a test, you have to have a standard, here's ours:


First, the ingredients:
     Clean barrel
     Ramrod
     Flat-faced jag and T-handle
     Tape (or something to mark the ramrod with)
Primers (a variety)

Second, the recipe for testing:
     1.  Start with an un-loaded rifle with a clean, dry barrel.  Unloaded, unloaded, unloaded!
(can everybody say: UNLOADED?)

     2.  Then screw a T-handle and a flat-faced jag onto the ramrod. 

     3.  Take 6 to 8 patches and wet them with something like Butch's Bore Shine and then wring them out, as much as you can.  They should just be damp-ish.

     4.  Center a patch over your barrel end, then push it into the barrel using the flat-faced jag.

     5.  When the patched-jag reaches the face of your breech plug, wrap a piece of tape around the ramrod right at the end of the muzzle.  (I use painters tape cause it peels right back off without any mess).


     6.  Insert a primer.

     7.  Cock the hammer.


     8.  Pull the trigger.

     9.  Now, measure the amount of deflection the primer caused. 

      10.  Repeat  (NOTE!  Before you repeat with another patch and primer, be sure to clean the barrel so that you recreate the same barrel conditions for each test.  That's just good science!).

There are a couple of things that will affect the deflection you get in your testing.

1.  The type of breech plug .  The longer the plug, the less fire you get at the powder.  And, of course, a shorter plug = more fire. 


2.  The diameter of your flash hole.  A smaller diameter flash holes will provide less fire at the powder, larger hole = more fire.

3.  The shape of your breech plug face.  A flat faced breech plug will cause more deflection.  I prefer the style of breech plug that has the dished out or cupped face over the flat.  Dished out face = more fire.


Why are we going to all this trouble?  Only two little reasons:

          1.  To find the primer that will deliver the best accuracy and
          2.  To find the primer that will make the rifle go BOOM every time!


The way I use all this info is to cut to the chase as to what primer goes with which powder. 

For instance, when using Triple 7, I want a low impact primer.  For this reason I favor the Winchester 209 Triple-7 Primers and I also really like the Fiocchi 209...a lot! 

On the other hand, a higher impact primer will produce tighter groups in most cases when shooting Blackhorn 209.  Then I opt for primers that cause more deflection such as the CCI 209 M, Federal 209 A or the Winchester "Blue Box" 209.  These are 209's made for shotgun shells, full strength (and are recommended by Blackhorn).  Blackhorn 209 has a higher flash point than Triple-7 and needs the extra fire.



In either case, test 3 or 4 of each primer to insure that they are consistent and cause the same amount of deflection each time.  This is what will lead to accuracy, consistently.

I cannot tell you the times when I was hand-loading for center fire that the only thing standing between a 1-1/4 inch group and a 1/2 inch group was that itty, bitty little primer.  And the same is true here.

If there is a funny part to this, it's the cost.  I've seen muzzle loaders (and I'm going to have to include myself here) change everything including their socks trying to get better accuracy before they change the primer.  Ha!  Bullets, powder, sabots....but that cheap little, low cost primer can and will make all the difference in the world.  Bottom line, test your primers so you know what they do and when you're having problems getting good groups, change your primer FIRST!

Take the primer challenge.  Go spend a few dollars, buy some primers and see for yourself.  For the money, it could give you the biggest bang for your buck$.